■今のロシア人の生の声をブクマカに教えてやる(英語原文)

https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20220312204919

信憑性がないので原文を出してほしいというトラバがいくつかあり、もっともだと思ったので出すことにします。

元のチャットでは改行だったところの大部分をピリオドにしています(許可は取りました）。

友達 "be careful out there"

増田 "何に"

友達 "North Korea is firing at you"

増田 "よくあることだし多分大丈夫だと思うよ"

友達 "I guess we're gonna be disabled from the global internet"

増田 "そうしたらもう本当に終わりだね。どこで知ったの？"

友達 "Underground news sources"

増田 "そうなんだ。プロキシとかtorとかも使えないの？"

友達 "tor is blocked. proxies are not working. at least, most of them.

but i'm prepared. i got tor, i got proxies. dunno if it will work."

増田 "そうなんだ"

友達 "Portuguese menu for Russian tourists: "We don't service the Russians. Go eat some stones. Bon appetit."

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629783855070445598/951836523836358746/2022-03-11_22.37.48.png

増田 "あー"

友達 "Russians are becoming the worldwide exiles"

増田 "レストランはロシア人とそうでない人の見分けがつくんだろうか"

友達 "I can't even speak Russian in online games anymore.

they don't even care that I don't support the war"

増田 "ははは"

友達 " "Customers with Russian passport are not welcomed in our restaurant. We do understand that "normal" Russians are not responsible for criminal decisions of their government, but we have to do something already. By prohibiting the Russians to come in, we're making our contribution into the free Europe for our children." "

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629783855070445598/951836523521769483/2022-03-11_22.38.07.png

増田 "そう"

友達 "i'm disappointed in reddit"

増田 "何？"

友達 "i read a topic "stop shout abuse at russians"

they said "fuck you, we hated you russians before the war too" "

増田 "そう"

友達 "now i see the true face of the west.

I'm so disappointed...

I'm being witchhunted just because I'm Russian.

How does this differ from what Hitler did"

増田 "国同士なんて仲がいい方が珍しいしそんなもんだよ。今ごろ気がついたの？

日本のネットでも評判がいい国なんてほとんどないって。99%の国は嫌われてるか知られてないかだよ"

友達 "USA talks about "peace in all the world" is a pack of fucking shit.

when they bomb the shit out Yugoslavia, it's legit, it's legal, it's OK, nobody hates americans.

when Russia is in war, every Russian should be burned"

増田 "アメリカは仕方ないね。東京裁判も不当だったみたいだし"

友達 "i'm gonna stick to Asia. I'll learn Chinese and Japanese"（注:このstickをどう訳すべきかわからない）

友達 "I always made a distinction between government and people.

When USA and other countries do some shit, that's the government.

But when usual people say that they hate Russians...

I have to get out of Russia. In that manner, we're even worse than North Korea"

増田 "そういえば脱北者っていたね"

友達 "people who ran from NK are treated well. they're heroes.

but Russian people are not wanted anywhere"

増田 "そう"

友達 "there is information that there's gonna be a martial law in Russia. 5 or 6 of march"

増田 "本当？"

友達 "only rumors"

増田 "そうなんだ"

友達 "i'm against killing at all. hide.

友達 "I guess, we're repeating the history of Germany and Japan

増田 "そこそこ良いんじゃない？"

友達 "well, in Russian reality, it'll be worse"

増田 "知らん"

友達 "60% of our people is fucking stupid. they're lazy. they were taught that war is good. that nazis are everywhere around them. that stealing is good. they're corrupted. most of those people was born in USSR"

増田 "そう"

友達 "We have to be our own country, but free. Free of Putin and corruption and violence. Though I do not want to be Russian anymore.I love Russian culture but I hate the government"

増田 "そう"

友達 "people are saying that all Russians are guilty. fucking hypocrits. when USA bombed Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nobody seemed to mind.

when the West says: "We're tolerant, we're free, we're not racists", know that they lie"

増田 "そう"

友達 "the only nation that didn't say that all russians are guilty, was Japanese. I've heard that Japanese people think that only Putin is guilty. and not all Russians"

増田 "はいはい。というかそれ本当に言ってるの？"

友達 "I've asked a couple of my japanese friends"

増田 "this is.. probably very biased sample actually"(注：増田もたまに英語を使うことがある)

友達 "Well..."

増田 "私が知る限りそのredditのトピックと日本のネットでそこまで雰囲気変わらないと思う。ロシア食品店が襲われて壊されたらしいし"

友達 "then humankind is doomed"

増田 "ところで他の国の友達にもロシア人についてどう思ってるか聞いたの？"

友達 "they won't even speak to me, most of them"

増田 "あっ"

友達 "if they are affected by public opinion and ready to betray their friends, they're no longer my friends"

増田 "そう"

友達 "in Russia, we have a proverb "You can only find true friends in a trouble" "Друг познаётся в беде" "

増田 "日本語に似たようなことわざがあった気がしたけど今調べたら『昨日の友は今日の敵』しかなかった"

友達 "lol"

（注:チャットをそのまま載せると身バレ&グダグダすぎるので日本語訳版では適当に要約してあるが、友達のウクライナ人の知り合いが無事だと聞いたのは本当)

増田 "よかったね。……あ、ウクライナ人の友達は話してくれるんだ"

友達 "we speak. ukrainian friends are still with me. just imagine. the victims of war are still friends with me. and this two-faced West fucks are not"

増田 "正直なところあんまり意外でもない"

友達 "those West fuck just love to write hate messages knowing that we can't do anything in return. that they are in comfort. they scream "NO TO WAR", and after that they go to a happy dinner with their families"

増田 "●●さんは本当に自分のことを西洋人とは思ってないんだな"

友達 "maybe i had some sparks of western in me. but now i fucking don't"

増田 "たいていの日本人にとって白人＝西洋。私も●●さんに会って話すまではそう思ってた"

友達 "well you know now that it's not"

増田 "うん"

増田 "制裁はロシア国民が政府に反旗を翻すことを目的に行われているらしい"（注：よく調べずに適当なことを言ったので間違ってるかも）

友達 "yes. but it's useless. people won't turn against government. they are zombified by propaganda"

増田 "デモ風景見たよ"

友達 "but there are not too much people. Russia is basically like Hitler's Germany now"

増田 "it's optimistic predict"

友達 "it's not optimistic at all. russians are being equated to fascists. they don't make the distinction. they say that we all are guilty

増田 "you have to hope you all aren't like german in Traité de Versailles"

友達 "well..."

友達 "in fact, if I say in Internet that I don't support war, I can go in jail for 15 years"

増田 "それにしてはあのredditのロシア人は普通にプーチン批判や戦争反対を言ってたけど"

友達 "the law came after that post."

増田 "ええっ"

友達 "when they wrote it, it was OK. but now Putin does everything he can to stay in power. they're frantically making new laws. so they can stay in power for a little longer. what happens now is the blackest page in Russia's history. since Russia-Japan war"

増田 "日露戦争か"

友達 "USA always hated Russia. They are using every chance they get to destroy us. if instead of Russia it was Finland or China, attacking Ukraine, they wouldn't do shit about it. we several times tried to have friendly relationships with USA and each time they basically said "Fuck off, Russians". I didn't have any illusions about them before. but now I plainly fucking hate them. Japanese are the best"

増田 "また始まったよ"

増田 "具体的にアメリカは何をしてきたの？"

友達 "first time was during World War 2 lend-lease they helped us (注: チャットなので文章がところどころ適当になることがある)

we tried to be friends with them after, but they had secret plan to conquer USSR while it's weak. it was cancelled"

友達 "then Cold War, a lot of hating each other. next time we tried to be friends in 90s. "Bush's chicken legs", helping each other"

友達 "USA's bombing of Yugoslavia made us enemies again. since then, we were not friends"

増田 "どうしてそれがロシアに関係あるの？"

友達 "when that happened, Russian premier Primakov was on the flight to USA. there was gonna be a deal that could help Russia greatly. when Primakov heard about Yugoslavia, he asked his pilot to turn around, back to Moscow, and cancelled that deal. in Russia, it's known as "Primakov's turn" "

増田 "なんでそれで帰るの？"

友達 "he didn't want to work with countries that act like that. it was a war crime"

増田 "プリマコフという人は今の日本ではあまり知られてませんよ。私も今初めて聞きました"

友達 "he's not well known in Russia too :D "

増田 "失脚させられたみたいだからね。こんな政治家について今のロシアで報道されないのは自然だ"

友達 "he's still in government, if i remember correct"

増田 "……

エフゲニー・マクシモヴィチ・プリマコフ（ロシア語: Евгений Максимович Примаков、ラテン文字転写の例：Evgenii Maksimovich Primakov、1929年10月29日 - 2015年6月26日」 "

友達 "ah"

増田 "やっぱりさ、西洋の人たちがロシア人全部を雑に罵倒してくるの仕方ないと思うんだよ"

友達 "meh. fuck them then. i'm not gonna contact them then"

増田 "charmという単語があるでしょう。likable appealという意味だよね"

友達 "you can say it that way, yes"

増田 "でもmagicという意味もある。超自然的で恐ろしくて強いものだ"

友達 "ok. and?"

増田 "日本語では魅力というけどこの"魅"は実は化け物のこと。

人間はこのcharmとか魅力とかいう恐ろしいものに支配されて生きている。

なんでアメリカの空爆のときとロシアの侵略のときで世論が全然違うのか？　それはアメリカやウクライナには魅力があるけどロシアやユーゴにはないからだよ。人間にはかわいくもかっこよくもない人々の命より好きな人ひとりのほうが大事なんだ"

友達 "for me, all people are the same. every life is equal. （注：ここでは彼は「生命は尊い」とは言っていないが、普段の態度と前後の文脈からそう思っているのが明らかなので勝手に足しておいた）

death of Yugoslavians person is as tragic as the death of American and other people"

増田 "●●さんはそうでもたいていの人はそうではないからね。だから仕方がないんだ。実のところ私も他人のこと言えないんだよ。だって私もシリアの内戦とかクリミア侵略とか外国のニュースは気にしなかったのに、●●さんに出会ったからってだけでウクライナ侵略ばかり気にしてるからその『西洋人たち』と同じなんだよ。だから、仕方がないと思う"

友達 "wakatta"

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